Perfect piano?

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Re: Perfect piano?

Post by CoByX » Sun May 19, 2013 11:06 pm

jcage wrote:Being a sampler freak I created a 4-layered stereo piano as metamodule. 134MB... to big? Not for what it sounds like. Fazioli grand piano, sampled by folks who know their business, provided by palmitos some time ago. Took me some time to translate..
It would be great if you'd share it.
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Re: Perfect piano?

Post by GreaseMonkey » Mon May 20, 2013 6:55 am

You can currently hack up a pseudo-Karplus-Strong thing with a Flanger module (set the LFO power to 0 though!) and screwing with the Delay parameter, although you can't really do a loopback filter, so it's better for guitars rather than pianos.

Generator (noise, no attack, sustain off, VERY short decay) -> Filter -> Amplifier -> Flanger -> Filter -> Anticlick Filter (DC Blocker might work, if not, just do an e.g. 20Hz high-pass filter) -> Out.

If you have something that can open .it modules (e.g. SchismTracker - it's a very common module format), I used SunVox to synthesise some samples, and used this method to get a (mildly disappointing) set of piano samples: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/320 ... a-dem02.it - but to be quite honest, that's much closer to a Rhodes rather than an actual piano.

As for proper Karplus-Strong stuff, that's on the SunVox todo list.

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Re: Perfect piano?

Post by jcage » Tue May 21, 2013 11:32 am

CoByX wrote:
jcage wrote:Being a sampler freak I created a 4-layered stereo piano as metamodule. 134MB... to big? Not for what it sounds like. Fazioli grand piano, sampled by folks who know their business, provided by palmitos some time ago. Took me some time to translate..
It would be great if you'd share it.
its online...
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Re: Perfect piano?

Post by jcage » Sun May 26, 2013 7:31 pm

may or may not work:

http://server.omamees.com/i2pusr/fazioli-demo.sunvox [134MB]

Cheers!

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Re: Perfect piano?

Post by CoByX » Mon May 27, 2013 10:36 am

jcage wrote:may or may not work:

http://server.omamees.com/i2pusr/fazioli-demo.sunvox [134MB]

Cheers!
Thanks a lot! It sounds good! I think I'll try to write smth using this metamodule.

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Re: Perfect piano?

Post by NightRadio » Mon May 27, 2013 11:30 am

:shock: 134 mb... I think this would be cool to have ability to load some predefined modules from disk (like from VST directory) during the song loading. 134 mb for each song is too much :)

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Re: Perfect piano?

Post by jcage » Mon May 27, 2013 10:33 pm

linking metamodules is definitely a good idea, if optional: I am a complete messy sometimes and who garantees that i dont edit a metamodule used in another song?

On the other hand I like to organize my music as programmers do, in libraries.

We need both options.

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Re: Perfect piano?

Post by EuPhobos » Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:59 am

jcage wrote:may or may not work:

http://server.omamees.com/i2pusr/fazioli-demo.sunvox [134MB]

Cheers!
Wow, nice sound! I like it, and will use it =)

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Re: Perfect piano?

Post by gilzad » Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:14 am

Haven't forgotten about this thread.

Now, if you guys tell me that this sounds like a Piano sample, then I'm on the right way to serve you something. Needs a lot of work though.

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Re: Perfect piano?

Post by Carbonthief » Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:53 am

It does sound kind of like a piano sample, but combined with a violin sort of? Like if a piano had tiny bows instead of tiny hammers, that's what it sounds like to me.

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Re: Perfect piano?

Post by samrai katt kovboy » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:13 am

It is in the right direction and it does sound organic, did you try it in context with other music?
But hell yeah it is a beginning and hope that you continue the work!

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Re: Perfect piano?

Post by Darkhog » Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:07 am

gilzad wrote:Haven't forgotten about this thread.

Now, if you guys tell me that this sounds like a Piano sample, then I'm on the right way to serve you something. Needs a lot of work though.
You are on something. Care to share .sunvox file, so I could try to help?

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Re: Perfect piano?

Post by foodeater » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:41 pm

Gigi, thanks, interesting info! If I want a piano I'll record it or use samples, but inaccurate/non-realistic synthesis can often sound really good and interesting in it's own right.

Native Instruments and I think East West as well as a few other companies offer free piano samples that you could sequence in sunvox via MIDI and sample into sunvox. With the interpolate command and velocity it might not be that bad to make your own multisamples.

I use the programs keymap pro and autosampler to easily re-record and "unlock" sampler instruments from proprietary formats. Too bad they don't have a sunvox format to save into!
jcage wrote: On the other hand I like to organize my music as programmers do, in libraries.
Sorry for the derail, but can you explain a bit? I'm trying to make a real effort to finally get my music related files organized and I'd love to know some more concepts about how to approach it.

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Re: Perfect piano?

Post by jcage » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:00 am

Well in programming you have the rule of "once-and-only-once". That is, for the same purpose, say converting sample rate you have a function in a library which may be called from 100 places in your final work(s). Similarly in music you have samples which form phrases, which form parts, which form pieces. In every level of the hierarchy these building blocks may be re-used in several songs, just like functions in a programming library. (case 1)

However there is a difference to modern programming languages. The above concept may be too unflexible for real life. In C++ you can therefore modify your libraries as you use them. Thats key. Obviously you cant do that with musaq. So you end up carrying copies of your precreated building blocks around with you. (case 2)

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Re: Perfect piano?

Post by Darkhog » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:53 am

With music we can assume that finished piece is like compiled executable ;).

But this is going off-topic. Has anyone any progress? I really need it.

//edit: And sample are no-no, because of size. Better samples=bigger size. Smaller samples=worse quality. I need something hi-quality AND low-size, thus something procedural. C'mon, I know SunVox community can do it! Gilzad was on something, but he (she?) didn't post sunvox file so we can help.

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